I can't load lotro with IS

[blackwinter]

I can't load lotro with IS. Just use the TurbineInvoker.exe, and can't bring the console.

[Lax]

Official LOTRO support is pending. It works in testing in Windows Vista, but I have not yet installed it on a Windows XP machine.

[Muvanu]

I can't load lotro with IS. Just use the TurbineInvoker.exe, and can't bring the console.

Getting same thing, I load in and np console or fps meters and the mouse goes screwy when I try to move when I load in with IS.

[[40oz]]

Official LOTRO support is pending. It works in testing in Windows Vista, but I have not yet installed it on a Windows XP machine.

I know support is pending, Lax, but I'd like to note while it injects just fine in Vista that whenever you go to mouselook, it resets your mouselook vertical axis to be level with your character, as opposed to retaining where it was each time you begin to mouselook.

If there's a setting I'm missing that fixes this, great. But otherwise I'll wait (patiently) for official support.

[Muvanu]

Official LOTRO support is pending. It works in testing in Windows Vista, but I have not yet installed it on a Windows XP machine.

I know support is pending, Lax, but I'd like to note while it injects just fine in Vista that whenever you go to mouselook, it resets your mouselook vertical axis to be level with your character, as opposed to retaining where it was each time you begin to mouselook.

If there's a setting I'm missing that fixes this, great. But otherwise I'll wait (patiently) for official support.

How did you get it to work in vista? I havent had any luck. I load in and there are no fps meters or the command window. But I do get the physcho mouse issue.

[[40oz]]

Official LOTRO support is pending. It works in testing in Windows Vista, but I have not yet installed it on a Windows XP machine.

I know support is pending, Lax, but I'd like to note while it injects just fine in Vista that whenever you go to mouselook, it resets your mouselook vertical axis to be level with your character, as opposed to retaining where it was each time you begin to mouselook.

If there's a setting I'm missing that fixes this, great. But otherwise I'll wait (patiently) for official support.

How did you get it to work in vista? I havent had any luck. I load in and there are no fps meters or the command window. But I do get the physcho mouse issue.

Assuming you're registered and authenticated on ismods.com, check here:

http://www.ismods.com/forums/viewtopic. ... 3a6b34096d

That's what I did, and it worked fine.

I think the crazy mouse issue is an interaction between ISs use of DirectX and the games use of it, but I'm not a programmer.

[Muvanu]

Being as Lax says it should work with vista just by creating the game and choosing the invoker. It doesnt for me. I tried the loader and it doesnt work either. No FPS and no Command window. I have asked him multiple times in IRC if he was going to fix it and never a reply then finally he blew up in isxlotro irc. So from what I understand the devs of isxlotro are going to stop until IS is working correctly with lotro but i may be mistaken.

<Pickled> it would seem that Lax is not really interested in lotro
<Pickled> to that note i don't really see the point in continuing
<Pickled> i'll maybe check back later and see if he ever actually does anything about it
<Pickled> i have face and other stuff mapped out now, so will update the svn
<Pickled> asap, just need to clean it up a little then im done

Thats a direct copy and paste from the IRC and pickled is one of the main contributors.

and

<L124RD> IS support of Lotro has really been disappointing
<Valerian> tell me about it
<L124RD> Ok, I will
<Valerian> if it's not WoW, forget it. IS == WoW apparently...
<L124RD> Do we know if it's just a popularity issue or is there something else happening?
<L124RD> I know there was a large warden issue a couple weeks ago and I can easily forgive Lax's putting that on top priority, but lotro has been out for a while now and not even injection has been truly resolved
<Valerian> Lax is busy *shrug*
<noacess> All if Lax's commercial customers are WoW based me thinks
<Valerian> apparently he's too busy to support the customers that pay him
<noacess> and thus WoW gets priority
<Valerian> yeah, good point noacess... or at least a huge percentage
<Valerian> and the normal user accounts don't make up a very big piece of the pie
<noacess> well there are a lot more WoW normal user accounts than lotro
<noacess> which is amusing since everyone just got banned
<Valerian> so, probably around 80% of his income comes from wow.
<noacess> likely
<Valerian> maybe more
<noacess> so you really cant blame him
<Valerian> of course I can
<Valerian> I pay him too
<Valerian> I want support too
<noacess> you do get suppport....about 1% worth
<noacess> I"m sure once his WoW issues settle down he'll be more than happy to help
<Valerian> I don't want him bitching about people asking for support 3 months after open beta
<Valerian> I don't want thim changing the topic because people are asking for support 3 months after open beta
<Valerian> that's simply uncalled for.
<L124RD> Is there any way we can write an extension to fix some of these issues ourselves or is that something that is beyond the scope of an IS extension?

and

<noacess> Im' not even aware of the issue
<Valerian> most of the in-game issues are directx related, and the launcher issue is something he's doing wrong with .NET apps
<noacess> hmm
<noacess> well
<Valerian> of course, he doesn't admit he's doing anything wrong
<noacess> this all goes back to why open source can be a better solution
<Valerian> and won't install lotro on an xp box to test
<noacess> heh
<noacess> I refuse to downgrade to vista
<Valerian> ditto
<Valerian> but even though he runs vista, he could at least install XP on a virtual PC and use that for testing
<noacess> I agree
<noacess> or hell dual boot
<noacess> you only need like 10 gigs for the OS and a game

If that tells you how they feal about the situation.

[Muvanu]

Official LOTRO support is pending. It works in testing in Windows Vista, but I have not yet installed it on a Windows XP machine.

I know support is pending, Lax, but I'd like to note while it injects just fine in Vista that whenever you go to mouselook, it resets your mouselook vertical axis to be level with your character, as opposed to retaining where it was each time you begin to mouselook.

If there's a setting I'm missing that fixes this, great. But otherwise I'll wait (patiently) for official support.

How did you get it to work in vista? I havent had any luck. I load in and there are no fps meters or the command window. But I do get the physcho mouse issue.

Assuming you're registered and authenticated on ismods.com, check here:

http://www.ismods.com/forums/viewtopic. ... 3a6b34096d

That's what I did, and it worked fine.

I think the crazy mouse issue is an interaction between ISs use of DirectX and the games use of it, but I'm not a programmer.

Did you use the loader in vista?

[Lax]

There are plenty of other issues that people are waiting on fixes for as well. As I just explained in #isxlotro, I have 2 more-than-full time jobs, one of them being Lavish, and I only have so much time. I'm happy for you that you have enough spare time that you can spend it pestering me in IRC and posting chat logs on my forums about my customers thinking they're being ignored or that I don't care. The truth is I've had to spend every waking hour of the last month on my other job. I haven't had time to fix your issues, and while I apologize for that, I DON'T appreciate your post. And yes, being that WoW's market is huge and I have a lot of WoW customers, the little time I have usually ends up being taken by quick fixes for them.

Half of the problem you're bringing up (specifically the loader) may take dozens of dedicated man-hours to resolve. I haven't had that kind of time recently. The Lavish job postings are intended to help fix lack of Lavish development time. To my knowledge, IS attaches fine without help in Windows Vista, and alternatively attaches fine in XP with the loader. I don't know what is stopping you from launching the game through Inner Space.

As far as mouse issues, this is the first I've heard of them. June 25, 2007 is the first mention I have seen of any mouse issue with LOTRO. Issues like that I generally resolve as soon as I hear about them. No I dont have time to read through every single line of chat in IRC to figure out problems, that goes for every channel including #isxwow. People ping me in every channel practically daily. I don't always get to them all. If there's a bug, a passing mention in IRC while I am not at the keys is not going to help get it fixed.

I'd be fixing it right now but I'm unhappy with this lack of respect. I do everything I can to solve everyone's problems in a timely matter, but the fact is that no matter what order I do everything in, there is no way to make everyone happy or convince everyone that their problems are being considered. This is the thanks I get.

[40oz], I'm going to fix your issue as soon as possible. Sorry for the delay. I do appreciate the respect you display and non-hostile nature of your posts, and I am more than happy to identify and correct any mouselook issues for you.

[[40oz]]

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[40oz], I'm going to fix your issue as soon as possible. Sorry for the delay. I do appreciate the respect you display and non-hostile nature of your posts, and I am more than happy to identify and correct any mouselook issues for you.

Lax,

Thanks for the response. Was really all I was looking for; now that you know theres a bug you can put it in whatever tracker use and a fix will come around eventually.

If you need any further information about it, let me know. I'll be happy to test or do whatever may help.

FYI, I have a dual boot setup. I'm using Vista x64 (UAC is turned off, running as an Admin account) and I load LOTRO without any loaders or anything, it works great. I can dual boot back in to my old XP Pro x64 if we need to test something there, where I can use Valerian's (I think, maybe Pickled) loader to hop in to game there.

[Muvanu]

There are plenty of other issues that people are waiting on fixes for as well. As I just explained in #isxlotro, I have 2 more-than-full time jobs, one of them being Lavish, and I only have so much time. I'm happy for you that you have enough spare time that you can spend it pestering me in IRC and posting chat logs on my forums about my customers thinking they're being ignored or that I don't care. The truth is I've had to spend every waking hour of the last month on my other job. I haven't had time to fix your issues, and while I apologize for that, I DON'T appreciate your post. And yes, being that WoW's market is huge and I have a lot of WoW customers, the little time I have usually ends up being taken by quick fixes for them.

Half of the problem you're bringing up (specifically the loader) may take dozens of dedicated man-hours to resolve. I haven't had that kind of time recently. The Lavish job postings are intended to help fix lack of Lavish development time. To my knowledge, IS attaches fine without help in Windows Vista, and alternatively attaches fine in XP with the loader. I don't know what is stopping you from launching the game through Inner Space.

As far as mouse issues, this is the first I've heard of them. June 25, 2007 is the first mention I have seen of any mouse issue with LOTRO. Issues like that I generally resolve as soon as I hear about them. No I dont have time to read through every single line of chat in IRC to figure out problems, that goes for every channel including #isxwow. People ping me in every channel practically daily. I don't always get to them all. If there's a bug, a passing mention in IRC while I am not at the keys is not going to help get it fixed.

I'd be fixing it right now but I'm unhappy with this lack of respect. I do everything I can to solve everyone's problems in a timely matter, but the fact is that no matter what order I do everything in, there is no way to make everyone happy or convince everyone that their problems are being considered. This is the thanks I get.

[40oz], I'm going to fix your issue as soon as possible. Sorry for the delay. I do appreciate the respect you display and non-hostile nature of your posts, and I am more than happy to identify and correct any mouselook issues for you.

It wasnt meant as a hostile post more then a somewhat vent. Even a simple Iam looking into it right now or i dont have time reply would have been sufficent. If you consider someone asking you a simple one line question pestering I really dont know what to say to that.

[Muvanu]

Lol good one on the ban there Greatly appercaited.

[Lax]

I have no idea what you're referring to, I didn't ban you (what did I supposedly ban you from?)

[Valerian]

Hey, no problem on the ban Muv, you'll also notice you're banned from isxlotro.com forums as well. Would be a real neat trick to try to blame that one on Lax, now wouldn't it?

I did it. I'm not ashamed of it. Suck it up.

[Lax]

whenever you go to mouselook, it resets your mouselook vertical axis to be level with your character, as opposed to retaining where it was each time you begin to mouselook.

ok, I am seeing the issue you're describing. Basically if you begin mouselook with the mouse in an off-center position, it appears to think the mouse moved from the center to that position, the instant you move the mouse. I'll see what I can do