Fricken taskbar / windowing out

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Kyash
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Fricken taskbar / windowing out

Post by Kyash » Tue Mar 01, 2005 6:24 am

I need some help here. Yes I used 'Search' and nothing I did helps.

I was on WinEQ2 Lite and it was working just dandy. Two windows open, switch between with alt+tab, or to a browser, no problem at all.

I subscribed to it and the trouble started.

2 Windows open, I wanted to use the PiP. I got a fricken taskbar at the bottom. So I come and read and see this 'Always on top'.
Ok I go do it.
Well... that's a load of... I now cannot get at a web browser because the WinEQ windows... do what they should and stay on top. ALWAYS.
Auto release is enabled. (And boy I HATE it going to tiny windows. But then it usually doesn't even do THAT.)
The settings won't save unless I exit wineq altogether after setting it.

Right now, I have to Windows Key out, minimise ALL to desktop, just to get at a fricken browser and that's just unacceptable.

It's driving me nuts and I'm beginning to seriously regret subscribing because I think that's a downgrade for me. All the PiP's in the world don't make up for being able to just alt tab between windows at will.
Windows that stay put and don't 'Tiny' themselves, don't need to be minimized to look at the web, don't don't have a goddamn task bar at the bottom!
Why in blazes is this working without a hitch in the lite version, but the 'Pro' version gives me nothing but trouble?

Sorry for the rant but I'm tearing my hair out and I'm about to sling the entire caboodle out of the window.

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Post by Kyash » Tue Mar 01, 2005 6:54 am

I'm back on EQW now. At least it works the way I expect it to. :/

If anyone has a way of getting around the taskbar without 'Autohide' without 'Use XYZ hotkey' without fighting with the fricken thing for 3 hrs... do let me know.
As it is I absolutely hate the 'Pro' version where I end up having to minimise all through some trickery to even get at the desktop settings and using 'Minimise all' button on the shortcut bar of my taskbar. WTF?

It works FINE in WinEQ Lite, but not in the supposedly 'Better' version.

All I want are 2 windows that stay OPEN without a taskbar, which let me alt tab to a browser. Is that too much to ask?
By now I don't care about tiling / PiP and all the other stuff anymore, since it doesn't do the basic things I want.

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Post by Lax » Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:47 pm

Now now, calm down. This is the first question answered in the WinEQ 2 FAQ

http://www.lavishsoft.com/wineq2/faq.php#1.1
1.1) How can I get the Windows taskbar to appear {under,over} the game window?
Most users requested that the task bar be underneath the window because it interferes with gameplay, so it should be under the window by default. The trick is that when the game window is placed high enough on the screen, the task bar is actually placed over the game window. When the game window is placed a little lower, the task bar is placed under the EQ window. Play around with moving the window slightly up or down and the taskbar will reposition itself over or under the window.
If you turn on ALWAYS ON TOP, the window will be just that -- always on top!

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Post by Kyash » Wed Mar 02, 2005 7:06 am

Ok.
I read that.
It doesn't work. At least it doesn't here.
It *does* with WinEq Lite. That's my point.

I *have* to tick 'Always on top' to get it to overlap the taskbar - and then I cannot get to any other window, i.e. a browser.
I've dragged those screens around for nearly 2 hrs yesterday and I could never get rid of the taskbar. I *don't* get that with the Lite version, I don't get that with EQW either. Never have.

I'm sure it's me and something I did, but can you understand the frustration? I'm so darn pissed at the thing now, I don't use it.

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Post by Kyash » Wed Mar 02, 2005 7:19 am

Image

This is what I mean. Note the two windows, note them being placed 'low' as suggested... note the taskbar on top cutting off the window underneath.
That's what I don't want, that's what doesn't work in the 'Pro'version, but which is fine in Lite, and in EQW, with absolutely no problem at all.

'On top' is off on both windows.

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Post by Kyash » Wed Mar 02, 2005 7:32 am

Image

Nothing changed - except this is EQW.
Notice something? See a taskbar? And I assure you, the other window is identical to this, no messing around with 'place lower' no messing around with 'on top'.

That's what I'm looking for. As much screen real estate as I can put my hands on. I have the machine specs to run four full screen windows with absolutely no problem at all (ok I have to turn the sound off or it gets *really* messy) - but I don't want the taskbar to cut off the bottom - and Wineq2 currently doesn't give me that unless I use the lite version. Yes - the lite version looks just like that screenie, but I can't get that back now so I'm not using it at all now.
It drove me nuts all day yesterday. And I am talking about 3 hrs+ of faffing about with window placement, trying to tweak settings and what not. I just gave up in the end and played using EQW.

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Post by Lax » Wed Mar 02, 2005 12:14 pm

With EQWindows, standard EQ, and WinEQ Lite, the window is not allowed to be sized to the same size as your windows desktop. With WinEQ 2 Pro, it is. This is why you noticed a difference when upgrading -- The problem with the first three is that they actually introduce distortion. Compare the EULA text with EQW and WinEQ 2 Pro. With EQW or standard EQ at your desktop resolution, you will see the text is fuzzy, and not the same color throughout (due to distortion). With WinEQ 2 Pro, it is crisp, and IS the same color.

The other difference is that WinEQ 2 Lite does not allow resizing by dragging the window edges, and this is actually why the window is not behaving the way you would like it to. In the default position, it is placed over the taskbar as long as the window size is locked. Shift-right click with the mouse NOT released (or right click on the window's title bar with the mouse released), and turn on "Lock Size", with the window in its default position. The window should immediately hide the taskbar. To make this default, set it in your Normal preset for EverQuest. I apologize for failing to put this information in the FAQ and I had actually not remembered about it. It's going in the FAQ now.

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Post by Kyash » Thu Mar 10, 2005 7:48 am

Lock Window Size fixed the taskbar - thanks Lax

Running 2 copies (in different directories) of EQ, and zoning a couple of times, I keep getting low graphics memory warnings tho and had some severe (I mean really really severe) video lag going on the other day (not used it since, still on EQW)

What happened...

Zone out of the Guild Lobby and ALL windows have white bocks in them where graphics hadn't loaded. One instance was fine, the other was just... ouch.
Couldn't move. Couldn't see anything on windows. Couldn't move mouse (other instance just fine). Couldn't type (well I could but it actually took 4 minutes (!!) to show up.
Had gotten no texture memory warnings btw that time.

I've not had that happen again, but then I really don't use it atm.
I get the texture warnings constantly tho after zoning a few times - and it's not exactly a low spec card on my machine. (Well ok maybe now, it wasn't then) Nvidia Ti4800
One instance has no luclin models loaded. Neither has spell effects on.

Seen that before?

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Post by Lax » Thu Mar 10, 2005 11:00 am

The only time I've seen lack of textures is lack of video memory (as indicated by the message). If you enable the memory indicator, you can keep an eye on that. WinEQ doesnt really have much to do with the video memory other than its ability to display it. There's a table on the FAQ from my testing that shows what options caused how much video RAM to be used http://www.lavishsoft.com/wineq2/faq.php#3.3

Each session of EQ used 29MB of texture RAM just to load Direct3D and whatnot, and up to 16MB for EQ options, and then more depending on the game resolution (probably no more than 15MB extra on most systems, and thats for 1600x1200x32). Thus, EQ will use 29+16+15=60MB of video ram per session just to enter the game (it may increase a bit from there).

My suggestion to you is to increase your AGP Aperture Size in BIOS to 256MB. What this does is adds texture memory, but only when necessary, borrowed from your physical system RAM. If you run out of that, you may end up crashing your system depending on your BIOS and video drivers (some systems handle it better than others). For a step-by-step guide for setting your AGP Aperture Size including photos from 3 different systems, see this page: http://www.lavishsoft.com/bios.php

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